over the fiscal cliff seem to be heading towards a stalemate but do the capitol hill theatrics tell the whole story? here's thousand politico summed it up, listen to top democrats and republicans talk on camera and it sounds like they could not be further apart. but behind the scenes top officials who have been involved in the talks for many months say the contours of the deal are starting to take shape. well, joining me are jason johnson a political professor, t and a republican strategist ron bonjene, ron, let's start with you, both sides know they'll have to make a deal. one congressman says to get it there has to look like this was fighting this way it's kind of like managing the public's expectati expectations, oh, we didn't give anything, oh, we didn't either. is this rhetoric all just for the show of it? >> part of it is and part of it isn't. part of it is, you know, both sides have to stake out their territory, in any negotiation, you know, you have to show what you want, most of what you want first and then you start really negotiating. so, you know, on the inside, yeah, yo